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#18069

On 7/17/2017 6:14 AM, mike white michael.white511@... [Ancient-Mysteries] wrote:

about Christmas time every 7 years or so, warm water begins to flow south along the pacific coast of south anerica, this is el nino. indonesia has less rain. even the trade winds, instead of east to west near the equator, blows from the other direction. el nino changed history, in 1525 when pizarro started on his conquest of peru, the el nino current allowed him to make progress to the south. he noted rain failling in the desert, a sure sign of el nino. a study of coral formations revealed the warmer el nino currents were already active 13,000 years ago.
looking at the charts, it appears that el nino events happen more often recently than every 7 years, and sometimes getting more intense. once an event has begin, it can last 9 months to 2 years. the peak of el nino occurs near the same time as surface ocean temperature in the eastern equatorial pacific reach max. this suggests that i may be correct in connecting it to the sea reaching into the volcanoes of the andes. the el nino of 1998 killed 16% of the global reefs, with coral bleaching. it destroyed the moche and chimu, and hurt the inca a lot. there have been famines, and landslide disasters connected to el nino. i had no idea that these events were getting more often and stronger. since 1957 there is a second type of el nino event happening in the central pacific [cp], near the international dateline.
farmers, and entire economies are based on traditional weather patterns, el nino has disrupted them severely, on a global scale. the effects have reached the atlantic, causing more hurricanes, and giving europe unpredictable weather. any change in monsoon patterns can ruin asian nations.
our lads need to wake up, and determine what is causing the el nino anomaly, and decide what can be done to lessen the impact. it is like the water cools the rift to magma, and seals it for a while, then the crack opens again. if nothing is done, the el nino affects may continue without reversal, causing global famines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Ni%C3%B1o

el nino has effected the amount of sea ice near the south pole, and may have reduced the sea ice at the north pole.
many people have noticed crazy weather patterns, and blamed global warming, or the ozone, without realizing el nino may have been the cause.

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the scientists need to take el nino serious, and do something, before our civilization collapses, like angkor, java, and the moche.

mike

On 7/17/2017 3:28 AM, mike white michael.white511@... [Ancient-Mysteries] wrote:

stegodon was an elephant like species, that was very common in asia and in east africa, from the miocene, thru the pleistocene, and some say they were still extant into the holocene, about 4,000 years ago in southern china. they were more common than the asian or indian elephant, but maybe not as easy to domesticate. they were good swimmers, and many reached the islands offshore. the experts keep putting forth the idea of elephants, rhinos, and hippos, swimming far out to sea. they even proposed that they swam from africa to europe. more likely, they crossed when landbridges existed. the sea between indonesia and asia is now mostly less than 200 feet deep. landbridges open up, when a poleshift moves a land closer to the pole. they also occur when more water is locked up as ice at the poles, causing sealevel to drop. like the auroch, they may have arrived from lemuria.

those reaching islands eventually became dwarfs. full size stegodons were larger and more robust than the mammoth, the latter more common in america. they would have been more than a match for even dinosaur predators. 12 ft tall 12 ton slow moving t rex would not stand a chance. having species of elephants around would have benefited man.

stegodon

i viewed java from sat, and was impressed with the extensive terraces. the volcanoes are likely new additions to indonesia. nobody would build such grand stone monuments next to volcanoes. mt merapi is likely less than 50,000 years old. to verify or deny my claim, all they need to do is excavate below the works to see if ash is found. some of the terraces were likely created in ancient times, after the orogeny robbed them of croplands, and the terraces became necessary. such large projects are normally beyond what a small farmer would attempt, they are public works,

the thought occurs to me that el nino might play a bigger role in the long history of southeast asia, than realized. these seasonal ocean currents play a global role on temperature and rainfall. cultures that depend upon agriculture or the fishery can be ruined by el nino. i am trying to learn when el nino began, but no luck so far. the academic mindset might assume that there has always been el nino, but it is possible that an event happened, or continues to happen, that triggers el nino. maybe the nearest of the moon and a planet, causes a crack in the crust on the seabed to open, heating the water, and causing the current. it has 2 phases, el nino the warm, and la nina the cold.

with sat sensors they should be able to find the heat producer that fires up every 7 years or so on the pacific seafloor. my guess is off the andean coast, there might be a hot spot. there is a volcano on that north coast that erupts water and fish. this shows that there is a passage for the sea to reach the lava plume. if there is one, there may be more. there is a void or chamber under some of the cordilleras of the andes. this is a result of elevator plate motion. in some case, the sea can reach into these voids. in the past few times that the volcano erupted, the natives were happy, running around collecting fish. water and fire do not mix well, that volcano's chamber could be like a pressure-cooker or steam boiler, that one day will explode, with huge rocks hurled, steam, and fire, killing everyone in the region. what if lima's crazy dripping weather, is caused by steam rising from the sea, from contact of seawater with the caldron of a volcano? a near approach of a space body could trigger the passage to open wider. the heat source offset from the sea, under a mountain, would be harder to locate by a sat sensor. such things can occur near a subduction zone.

the volcanoes of indonesia rise above a subduction zone, just like the andes. the volcanoes near java are noted for their explosive power, they rate a 7 on the vei scale, the highest that volcanoes can reach. the eruptions there can be heard or measured around the globe. i may be the first to suspect that seawater may be reaching into the volcanoes of indonesia, just as it does in the andes. expanding steam is very explosive, one major event near java could depopulate much of southeast asia. poor folks would never see it coming. escaping steam might leave few clues to the disaster. such places would be a death trap on a big scale!

after this el nino event began, it may have destroyed the cultures both in peru and in southeast asia. some may have perished in the initial blast, and the rest fell to famine, when the crops and fishery became unpredictable. el nino reminds me of the story of joseph in egypt, with 7 years of good crops, followed by 7 years of famine. the solution was to store food in the good harvests, to feed the people in the lean years that followed. those at angkor may have sold the bumper harvests, and had famine later. if this el nino causation theory is valid, the event may have happened before 24,000 bce, which is the epoch of the angkor and java ruins being abandoned.

btw, i had no intention of writing about el nino when i began this post. the muses were kind to me. i learned more by thinking about it, than reading the expert accounts. that is inspiration, or imagination, you decide. with no citations and references, it is an easy call for the academics. they hate original thinking, they prefer to cite and support each other in their peer group, right or wrong. at least in the forum of greece, each could speak and be heard. with the internet, the academics will be forced to consider and field challenges to their accepted theories, and maybe some progress will be made. the publishers of today are academics themselves, and share the guilt, for perpetuating ignorance, by locking out much of the population. they forget that God does not favor only the high and mighty on earth. we should pray for the phd holders to receive some inspiration, but too few of them have faith.

mike

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On 7/17/2017 6:14 AM, mike white michael.white511@...[Ancient-Mysteries] wrote:

about Christmas time every 7 years or so, warm water begins to flow south along the pacific coast of south anerica, this is el nino. indonesia has less rain. even the trade winds, instead of east to west near the equator, blows from the other direction. el nino changed history, in 1525 when pizarro started on his conquest of peru, the el nino current allowed him to make progress to the south. he noted rain failling in the desert, a sure sign of el nino. a study of coral formations revealed the warmer el nino currents were already active 13,000 years ago.
looking at the charts, it appears that el nino events happen more often recently than every 7 years, and sometimes getting more intense. once an event has begin, it can last 9 months to 2 years. the peak of el nino occurs near the same time as surface ocean temperature in the eastern equatorial pacific reach max. this suggests that i may be correct in connecting it to the sea reaching into the volcanoes of the andes. the el nino of 1998 killed 16% of the global reefs, with coral bleaching. it destroyed the moche and chimu, and hurt the inca a lot. there have been famines, and landslide disasters connected to el nino. i had no idea that these events were getting more often and stronger. since 1957 there is a second type of el nino event happening in the central pacific [cp], near the international dateline.
farmers, and entire economies are based on traditional weather patterns, el nino has disrupted them severely, on a global scale. the effects have reached the atlantic, causing more hurricanes, and giving europe unpredictable weather. any change in monsoon patterns can ruin asian nations.
our lads need to wake up, and determine what is causing the el nino anomaly, and decide what can be done to lessen the impact. it is like the water cools the rift to magma, and seals it for a while, then the crack opens again. if nothing is done, the el nino affects may continue without reversal, causing global famines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Ni%C3%B1o

el nino has effected the amount of sea ice near the south pole, and may have reduced the sea ice at the north pole.
many people have noticed crazy weather patterns, and blamed global warming, or the ozone, without realizing el nino may have been the cause.

the scientists need to take el nino serious, and do something, before our civilization collapses, like angkor, java, and the moche.

mike

On 7/17/2017 3:28 AM, mike white michael.white511@... [Ancient-Mysteries] wrote:

stegodon was an elephant like species, that was very common in asia and in east africa, from the miocene, thru the pleistocene, and some say they were still extant into the holocene, about 4,000 years ago in southern china. they were more common than the asian or indian elephant, but maybe not as easy to domesticate. they were good swimmers, and many reached the islands offshore. the experts keep putting forth the idea of elephants, rhinos, and hippos, swimming far out to sea. they even proposed that they swam from africa to europe. more likely, they crossed when landbridges existed. the sea between indonesia and asia is now mostly less than 200 feet deep. landbridges open up, when a poleshift moves a land closer to the pole. they also occur when more water is locked up as ice at the poles, causing sealevel to drop. like the auroch, they may have arrived from lemuria.

those reaching islands eventually became dwarfs. full size stegodons were larger and more robust than the mammoth, the latter more common in america. they would have been more than a match for even dinosaur predators. 12 ft tall 12 ton slow moving t rex would not stand a chance. having species of elephants around would have benefited man.

stegodon

i viewed java from sat, and was impressed with the extensive terraces. the volcanoes are likely new additions to indonesia. nobody would build such grand stone monuments next to volcanoes. mt merapi is likely less than 50,000 years old. to verify or deny my claim, all they need to do is excavate below the works to see if ash is found. some of the terraces were likely created in ancient times, after the orogeny robbed them of croplands, and the terraces became necessary. such large projects are normally beyond what a small farmer would attempt, they are public works,

the thought occurs to me that el nino might play a bigger role in the long history of southeast asia, than realized. these seasonal ocean currents play a global role on temperature and rainfall. cultures that depend upon agriculture or the fishery can be ruined by el nino. i am trying to learn when el nino began, but no luck so far. the academic mindset might assume that there has always been el nino, but it is possible that an event happened, or continues to happen, that triggers el nino. maybe the nearest of the moon and a planet, causes a crack in the crust on the seabed to open, heating the water, and causing the current. it has 2 phases, el nino the warm, and la nina the cold.

with sat sensors they should be able to find the heat producer that fires up every 7 years or so on the pacific seafloor. my guess is off the andean coast, there might be a hot spot. there is a volcano on that north coast that erupts water and fish. this shows that there is a passage for the sea to reach the lava plume. if there is one, there may be more. there is a void or chamber under some of the cordilleras of the andes. this is a result of elevator plate motion. in some case, the sea can reach into these voids. in the past few times that the volcano erupted, the natives were happy, running around collecting fish. water and fire do not mix well, that volcano's chamber could be like a pressure-cooker or steam boiler, that one day will explode, with huge rocks hurled, steam, and fire, killing everyone in the region. what if lima's crazy dripping weather, is caused by steam rising from the sea, from contact of seawater with the caldron of a volcano? a near approach of a space body could trigger the passage to open wider. the heat source offset from the sea, under a mountain, would be harder to locate by a sat sensor. such things can occur near a subduction zone.

the volcanoes of indonesia rise above a subduction zone, just like the andes. the volcanoes near java are noted for their explosive power, they rate a 7 on the vei scale, the highest that volcanoes can reach. the eruptions there can be heard or measured around the globe. i may be the first to suspect that seawater may be reaching into the volcanoes of indonesia, just as it does in the andes. expanding steam is very explosive, one major event near java could depopulate much of southeast asia. poor folks would never see it coming. escaping steam might leave few clues to the disaster. such places would be a death trap on a big scale!

after this el nino event began, it may have destroyed the cultures both in peru and in southeast asia. some may have perished in the initial blast, and the rest fell to famine, when the crops and fishery became unpredictable. el nino reminds me of the story of joseph in egypt, with 7 years of good crops, followed by 7 years of famine. the solution was to store food in the good harvests, to feed the people in the lean years that followed. those at angkor may have sold the bumper harvests, and had famine later. if this el nino causation theory is valid, the event may have happened before 24,000 bce, which is the epoch of the angkor and java ruins being abandoned.

btw, i had no intention of writing about el nino when i began this post. the muses were kind to me. i learned more by thinking about it, than reading the expert accounts. that is inspiration, or imagination, you decide. with no citations and references, it is an easy call for the academics. they hate original thinking, they prefer to cite and support each other in their peer group, right or wrong. at least in the forum of greece, each could speak and be heard. with the internet, the academics will be forced to consider and field challenges to their accepted theories, and maybe some progress will be made. the publishers of today are academics themselves, and share the guilt, for perpetuating ignorance, by locking out much of the population. they forget that God does not favor only the high and mighty on earth. we should pray for the phd holders to receive some inspiration, but too few of them have faith.

mike